Would I gain more out of my power plant with a MMM?

[e-savowner]

I'm currently running a Mamba Max Pro with 1900kV 9XL and 5200mah 30c lipos. If I were to use a Mamba Monster Max instead of the MMPro, would I gain more power?

In other words: is the MMPro the limiting unit in my setup?

[generis]

on a 9xl it's not going to matter. if you went up to the 44mm motors or other large ones, then it could use some more current. Otherwise, keep your (cool) setup!

[Aero007]

OKI how about this probably not what you were looking for..

you'd gain a melted down power plant! check out the history and revisions. well. i think the average draw would be more spread between the esc-lipos-motor, which is good, lower resistance and temps, and a more fluid flow, if thats the right word. Is is 3s or 2s lipos you use ? you and esavage has almost same nicks so i forget your setups. but my honest opinion is: do NOT get the M3 esc...unless you like T-16 like knez.

MMM= potential AW-ing! Castle even fail to comply with supporting software for the mamba max. They failed when potential customers are disappointed by no Castle Link Vista x64 support - but that is honestly not my basis of any of my opinions - its just a fact. Are you ready to realize that some castle esc may not be compatible thru castle link's> to windows 7 ? I think not.
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maybe go with less gearing, that 1900KV motor imo is capable of high temp and loootsa torque( a mix of those) . its not that expensive, which is a lovely fact..whether is a keda model brand or not- those are about to get huge'r as well - just wait..they'll get there, and so will the pricing!

i wish the Great Plane Ammo 36-80-1280kv motor was cheap. or there was some cheap replica of it. just its funny how people keep bustin those castle esc's all the time. send in, send back, send in, send back, why go with that e-sawowner ? still it sells like hot dogs in ice age. thats called 'marketing'
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for the record, i bashed bad-arse with slightly modded mamba max on 5s with that motor, (e-savage truck, medium weight, extreme high AND low gearing, no probs ever) motor can really stand heat, it was all fine, tested in medi summer (hm, 25 C) but i ended up in the end with a wacked 3s lipo pack(20c spec). i just had poor batteries. the ezrun has a 50mm fan and that really does make a difference compared to that tiny barred-up castle M3 fan there..yet i haven't tried the M3, but i read alot about it, whole lot.

I know a guy who had a revo with that thing. the fan is useless. sound like you want more power, but do you ned the power ? like is there a special wish/benefit in mind ? some special gearing, or wheels, or other odd parts of a kind ?

would be good to go thru the effiecency, by using temp gun, amp meter. Thick wiring, beastie connectors, external ubec, active cooling of motor/heatsink works, i know you're down with these thing, but its piece of advice i got..

hoh, and some more:

imo the hobbywing program box is superior compared to the castle link. (oh shit i forgot to skin that one) odd comparison: It is what GTA4 is to SR2, copycat or not..

castle speak up too much and too great. But hobbywing do not do such, yet they get the least bad reputation - even when you use the google translate. the new xerun esc(150a) may be worse than the ezrun 150a esc, but im not in doubt that its performing up-to-par with that M3 that CC put out, be it a V1,V2,V3, whatever( whats to come). Even when some V4 come out - it makes the v1-3 look like a JOKE! Especially in the light of the narrow dates of releases, these V+ releases were just some result of a bad batch for a start! If they were anything else that would be respectable soo much. They had more than enough time to improve the Mamba Max, and if one consider the Mamba Max Pro a mamba Max V2 - consider that amount of time..

It's just how i see it.

theres a point in not wanting good customer service - when theres no need for it, comes rare. customer service is still an option at hobbyking . they sent you new parts if you can justify and cocument by pictures.. AND - a good thing too..

BTW: check out the thread on ezrun/xerun esc's, its not about customer service and support, but its so much RTR of the any-likes, its the-go-getter item of today, and only had a few months of wait to be released, contrary to the MMM that somehow encountered whatever months and years of a wait and problems underway, not even done with. Not to mention the endless revisions.

CC MMM vs. EzRrun/XeRun is what these are to eachother:
Airbus vs. Boeing- Boeing win on weight terms, but Airbus wins on power plants. (But airbus will dump some 80 tonnes in a weight weenie action)

Yes - the ezrun/xerun are heavy, but its a diminsheng factor, and really a non matter, at max 30 grams.. who gives a flying *

The bling factor speak for itself:



hope i didnt abuse the thread. there may be other posts speaking for a and b. any case...maybe i buy your esc to play around with. im one of those poor guys..

[Aero007]

lol why is it always generis make reply before me..and my login runs out with time.

[elbutchos1]

Wow , nice explanation Aero.
So, bottom line should be, get a xerun 150A instead of the the MMM V3 ?!?

[e-savowner]

Thanks for the info, fellas.

I forgot to mention that I'm running 2s x 2.

I think the whole situation with MMM melting is blown out of proportion. It probably has a higher failure rate than typical electronics, but more people complain about their melted MMM while the satisfied owners don't make any comments. In the event that the MMM does melt, I've read that Castle will handle it properly. BUT you are right, Aero, about the Windows compatibility with the Castle Link. Castle could definitely work on that.

The main thing I was paranoid about was that I didn't want to fry my MMPro in my heavy Savage X conversion.

The Xerun systems look like a good alternative, but I can't find them anywhere except at Ebay and they're priced the same with Castle's stuff: $150(ESC only) and $250(combo). At least Castle has a warranty. Just my two cents.

you and esavage has almost same nicks so i forget your setups.

I think esavage has the regular Esav. I no longer have the regular E-savage. I sold it to fund my Savage X brushless conversion. I didn't want too many trucks.

Originally Posted by generis

on a 9xl it's not going to matter. if you went up to the 44mm motors or other large ones, then it could use some more current. Otherwise, keep your (cool) setup!

That's exactly what I wanted to know. I wanted my motor to limit my power and not the ESC.

So basically, stick with the MMPro unless I want lower temps (less resistance) or If I decide to get a bigger motor, get a better ESC.

[generis]

sounds good, and even though I have MMM and MMpro escs and I have zero problems with ANY of my castle escs, I still recommend the xerun setups. I have seen these used in a bunch of really strong and fast (and some heavy) builds, and they run real good and have a nice strong bec for the servos. And if you ever get a chance to run a sensored motor in a truck (which is soooo nice) then the esc is all ready to go.
I'd get a MMpro over a xerun 80, but if you want more, then the 150 is a real good alternative. The sensored capability makes me more happy than the MMM non-sensored setup.

[Aero007]

Originally Posted by e-savowner

I think the whole situation with MMM melting is blown out of proportion. It probably has a higher failure rate than typical electronics, but more people complain about their melted MMM while the satisfied owners don't make any comments. In the event that the MMM does melt, I've read that Castle will handle it properly.

good point, its true, people is heard to complain more when theres something to complain about, like me otoh, theres also many ppl who post good and positive results on both esc's. its still somehow sad to see people get stalled by some esc problem..

this is cheap combo, under 200usd: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=9127 . the esc is a biggie though, it looks exactly like the HW ezrun i have, which is not '150 grams'